Q&A – 34

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Week In Review

Oh boy. The week started quietly with a post about the New England Women of Strength. Then things got interesting on the subject of treating very simple neural issues. Then things got kinda rowdy. Mark Sisson linked to the site; he runs Mark’s Daily Apple, an enjoyable website about health, nutrition, and primal living (Mark: Do you ever read fiction? My gods, man!). However, in conjunction with that I wrote a post about not needing sexy programming or equipment in training, but at the same time making a point about superficial websites that focus on selling “sexy” things, like pictures, slogans, memes, or catchy phrases instead of content with substance. The following day I pissed off a bunch of runners because I’m not impressed with completing a marathon. I’ll be honest, I only read the first half of the 80 or so comments. I get bored of the same, “Well, why don’t YOU do a marathon, tough guy,” comments over and over, which only prove my original point. I don’t enjoy people who get offended easily.

Q&A

This is the one day of the week where I pick a few questions from the Facebook Fan Page, Twitter, comments, or other messages and answer them. It keeps me on my toes, and I don’t know the answer I have a lot of friends who are smarter than me that I can ask.

Justin,

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More of a lurker, but I’ve been following 70sbig since the beginning.  After reading your marathon post today, I felt compelled to tell you how utterly awesome that was.  Please write a history book describing significant battles and “athletic events worth emulating” in the same way as you have done today.

 

I recently bought the TM Part 1 e-book and have been debating whether or not to buy Part 2.  Heading over to the 70sbig store after I send this to you to pick it up.  The quality of information you put out is some of the best in the fitness community and it dawns on me that I need to do my part to support you in this so you can continue to do it for a long time.

 

Enough ass-kissing, just wanted to say thanks.

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While I’m at it, I’ll throw out a question.  I’m a pretty tall dude at 6’5 with a very short torso relative to my long femurs.  Current bodyweight around 215.  Current 5RM low bar squat around 315.  All time best is 360×5 at 240 lbs bodyweight.  However I can deadlift mid 400’s for a set of 5 (all time best 500×5 at 240 lbs).  Squatting is just a very difficult movement, and anything above 225 feels slow as shit; while deadlifting feels completely natural.  Is there a certain type (low, high, front, etc.) of squat a guy in my situation should focus on?  Goals are general athleticism for basketball, jackedness, but would also like to hit a 400 lb squat in a powerlifting meet.

 

I recently dropped some excess bodyfat, so I’m back on an LP for a few weeks and then will transition to TM.  I’ve read your posts about low bar vs. high bar squatting and you’ve addressed this in your Q&A before, but was just wondering if there were any special considerations/recommendations for a tall guy with long legs?  Just continue driving up my low bar squat 2x/week?

 

Thanks man,
Tim

Dear Tim,

As you know, I’ve talked at length on high bar and low bar squatting. To simplify:

Powerlifting: low bar
Weightlifting: high bar
GPP/S&C: Kinda doesn’t matter, but whichever suits goals best

Guys with your body type — long femurs and a short torso — have difficulty with the vertical style squats (high bar and front) because of the angles and lever arms. That means that you’ll have to lean over a bit more because your torso is shorter. If you have good mobility and “not as extreme” segment lengths, this may not be as much of an issue.

The reason your deadlift is so much better is because you probably have longer arms (judging by the long femurs), and this helps tremendously with the deadlift. Since your back is short, it may not round as much relative to a guy with a longer torso, and it results in a lever system that is more efficient than normal (or at least more efficient when compared to your back squat).

Without seeing your technique (which could limit you), you just need to keep plugging away at the low bar squat. Part of your issue will be filling out the musculature on the front and back of your legs, and proper squatting, deadlifting, RDLs, or other posterior chain work will do that for your hamstrings. It may be necessary to work on your anterior chain a bit in the form of front squats, but if you’re still sloppy in the movement don’t worry about this for a while. The vertical alignment will train a different motor pathway and it’s some times hard for people to go back and forth between vertical squatting and low bar squatting. This would be something I could determine if I was coaching you, or even had some video.

Continue squatting twice a week with the low bar. Your segment lengths will work best with that style for now, and you stated a powerlifting goal so it reinforces my support for the low bar. The front or high bar squat may augment your low bar (by improving the strength and musculature of your quads), but it may be a bit soon to use that. Be consistent, make sure your technique is solid, and train hard.

Paul posted this link and said, “Look where weightlifting was placed. Discuss.

 

Dear Paul and whoever wants to discuss,

The guy writing the article is just some editorial doofus with arguably no athletic experience. And the piece included several poor attempts at humor. Let’s ignore all that.

To really rank these, we’d have to define what we mean by “hardest”. Hardest to do that activity on any level? Hardest to excel at the highest level? Hardest to win a gold medal?

Instead, let’s just talk about what Olympic sports could be considered some of the hardest and ignore how they relate to each other. I don’t know where I’d put weightlifting, but I know that it wouldn’t be the “hardest”. The lifts are very technical, yes, but all athletic skills considered, it’s just repeating the same movements over and over. It’s been documented that there are plenty of successful lifters that are not great athletes in other sports. In fact, I think Glenn Pendlay said that in one of our podcasts; the American weightlifter is typically someone who couldn’t cut it in another sport, like football, and they found something they could flourish in (let’s ignore the fact that is specific to our country’s situation for now). Generally speaking, being able to repeat the same movements over and over doesn’t necessarily make you very athletic, though they are athletic movements (especially by a novice’s standards).

Personally, I’m more impressed with sports that are dynamic. Things like weightlifting, swimming, and sprinting are all very impressive, but true athleticism is shown through reaction to an opponent. This would include wrestling, judo, taekwondo, hockey, boxing, volleyball, basketball, soccer, fencing, and rugby. Personally, I’m more impressed with sports that require significant physical skills, perhaps a broad spectrum of them, to be successful in the sport. This would eliminate things like tennis, table tenis, handball, and fencing from “the hardest” category. Soccer and basketball seem to require a specific kind of skill set, and you can develop the physical attributes to participate purely through playing them, so they fall off of my list. Rugby and hockey aren’t relatively technical, they they are both physical. They are high on my list, but maybe not the highest. Taekwondo appears to be more skill dependent than boxing (though boxing is technical, there are only two weapons compared to, well, more than two in taekwondo). This leaves wrestling, judo, and taekwondo. To be able to react to your opponent is so significant in the realm of athleticism, and it’s something we ignore in our “online S&C communities”.

You’ll notice archery or shooting sports, while incredibly technical, did not really get mentioned. It’s not because they aren’t hard, but because they are more in that “doing a skill repeatedly without too many changing variables” group, yet they also have the, “not really exerting oneself physically, relatively speaking” tag. All kinds of things are hard, like triathlons, rowing/kayaking, curling, and golf, yet they are more hard in one kind of way than several ways.

All this being said, I think that decathlons are the hardest thing to be successful in. There is such an array of skills across a broad spectrum of physical attributes. If decathletes were more jacked, they’d probably be my favorite athletes. Oh, and gymnastics is pretty hard and has a large skill set and demand of physical capacity. However, both gymnastics and decathlons don’t have that reaction component, and I deem that as incredibly important

If I had to pick one sport that is the hardest, I would pick wrestling. There’s not too many sports that are so heavily dependent on physical capacity, technical skill, as well as the ability to react to an opponent.

What do you guys think?

Kind of limited on questions this week, but I’m sure there’ll be plenty of discussion with people still pissed off from the running post. 

141 thoughts on “Q&A – 34

  1. Glad to see I’m not the only new guy on here. PR’s for the week ( in lbs, wish it was kilos):
    Snatch- 145 x 2
    C&J- 195 x 2
    Squat- 215 x 5
    FP- 215 x 2
    Deads- 320 x 2

    Also, in response to Paul’s discussion topic (which I think relates to yesterday’s marathon article), who really cares which sport is “harder” they are all harder than doing nothing and being even average in one on the international level is going to take enough specialization ( probably spelled that wrong) take you’re going to pretty much suck at anything else. Think of Sir Charles playing golf. Anyway my point is I’m lifting not because I think it’s the hardest sport, not because I think it makes better than everyone else (being a former Marine is why I think that lol) , but because it’s fucking FUN! So that’s my two cents I appreciate anyone taking the time to read my rambling comment, feel free to call me out f I say anything ignorant I can take it.

  2. HB Squat 5RM: 325# (83% of my 1RM)
    My deadlifts have been derpie.
    No PRs on my presses/bench.

    Re: Long femur/short torso and squat/deadlift disparities

    I’m short dude with long femurs/short torso, but I’ve done my best squatting high bar (squatted low-bar for about a year and then switched to high-bar for the last 3 months with added RDLs). At my last meet (and first hurr hurr) my best squat (high-bar) is 391# while my deadlift is 402#, which totally wrecks my brain.

    Do I need to switch my squat back to low-bar and add more hamstring work just so I’m not that guy built for deadlifting, but only pulls 10# compared to his high-bar squat? Do I even [power]lift? My squats and deadlift are done in a TM template. Also, should I pull sumo so that bar only needs to move 2 inches?

    • A lot of you get hung up on the alleged differences between lifts. Remember that you’re an individual. Your lifts will not have the same ratio as another guy. This could be due to inexperience, being less advanced, not being balanced muscularly, having different body dimensions, having crappy/good technique, or a variety of other issues.

      Just relax. Address weaknesses. Be consistent. If you are primarily going to powerlift, then I typically recommend that people low bar, especially someone with long femurs. However there’s a chance, albeit small, that this does not apply to you.

      Isn’t the world fun?

  3. PR’s yesterday/week press 123/125 for 10, squats 225/230 for 10, DL 275 for 10. Started GSLP this week so all these are my starting numbers after dropping 10% from SSLP. Did bench on wednesday but I have not benched in a year or so. Started off light just getting the groove back….

  4. Body weight steadily dropping, lifts steadily rising. Good times. 475 on DL for a 10lb increase. 285 on Bench. Not sure how much it actually increased, as I’ve switched to a closer grip recently. Decided to enter my first powerlifting meet (SPF@supertraining in Sacramento) in the 198 class. Though I’m 217 right now and they say you shouldn’t cut weight for your first meet, it’s in november and fits in with my goals … so it’ll be good motivation to step up the fat loss.

  5. Volume PRs:
    Squat 245x3x5
    Front Squat 185x3x3
    Bench Press 165x3x5
    Deadlift 280×5

    Was in an Oly meet this week, managed to tie my previous competition PRs with 132 Snatch and 176 C&J.

    Happy with my Oly lifts because I’ve been concentrating on my Power lifts.

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